I only managed to skim George’s History of Networked Learning (note: RTF) but had more time to read A History of the Social Web. I was deeply disappointed in the latter, a bit like Lisa, though perhaps for different reasons. I, not being a historian, was less troubled by the fuzzy thesis than by the uncanny ability of the author to take what ought to be a fasinating story and make it as dry as the package of silica which protects electronic equipment during shipping.
Most of the people mentioned in the essay are alive. Several of them blog. Why not let them speak in their own words? Why not let them tell the fascinating tidbits about how all this ferment happened? I suppose there is some need to be concise, but I felt as if the narrative sucked the life out of it, at least for me. Others seemed to like it, though.
As to the broader question of these networks in a learning context, what I’ve seen unfolding in the course suggests to me that decentralized may in fact be better. Someone connected this with Ivan Illich. Although I haven’t had time to read him yet, an Illich fan with whom I chat on occasion explains it as creating tools and letting people use them. If you go beyond that, it seems very easy to create a creepy treehouse. Trying to specify in great detail how people use the tools reminds me also of Clay Burrell‘s “schooliness”. (BTW, he has been doing a fascinating series on Gilgamesh – especially appropriate since it’s Banned Books Week).
But….
If you make things student driven and open, how do you then meet the demands for copious assessment? When you aren’t among the self motivated multitudes of CCK08, but among those for whom it’s about the grade….about the credits….about the diploma, I suspect that an open participatory model might create a whole lot of virtual silence, unless you declare, “Thou shalt post X times per week” in which case it becomes about grading and earning points rather than about teaching and learning.
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30 September, 2008 at 10:44 pm
George Siemens
Hi Jason – you raise an important point and one that we (at least I) often overlook: the human element in the development of technology. I agree that Trebor’s article would likely be more memorable if the human story was somehow woven through it. I find this same challenge when I’m preparing a presentation. I can go and simply talk about the information/knowledge I (think) have. But, if I fail to build some type of narrative around the presentation it has regrettably little impact.
George
1 October, 2008 at 11:26 am
Jim
You make an excellent point: if the particicpant is forced to post as part of the grade then is he or she truly a participant?
I should think that most people taking CCK08 for credit would be interested in posting in order to experience…and learn…the material. Dialogue within the posts would certainly be less than stimulating if it only contained forced, superficial comments from some and pointless ramblings from others. I would expect that anyone fully involved in the course (whatever the reason) will increasingly feel motivated to actively participte in discussion as the material is absorbed and deeper ideas or questions arise.
Maybe courses like this require a degree of tolerance and patience in the beginning until the participants reach that point of involvement.
1 October, 2008 at 10:23 pm
Adrian Hill
I chose to participate in this course with a fairly clear idea of what I want out of it. For me, this is an excuse to try to make sense of some material that I have been reading on my own, and which I think has some strong overlap with Connectivism. This course has been an opportunity for me to try blogging, to learn more about the range of social software apps that are available at this time, and to grapple with material in a way that I might otherwise not have done.
And I figured, if I’m going to go to the trouble of doing it at all, then why not get credit for the work? Who knows where the Certificate in Emerging Technologies for Learning might lead? In addtion, I am fortunate enough to have employers who are supportive of professional development, and toward that end are prepared to cover the bulk of the registration fee…provided that I pass.
I have found that listening to the Elluminate and Ustream sessions, reading the course blog and the Daily, following the occasional blog post, taking notes from readings (assigned and otherwise), and posting on my own blog are all activities that I am doing not because I feel as though I’m being forced to, but because I’ve chosen to be involved in CCK08, and because I’m thriving on all of this material.
2 October, 2008 at 4:21 am
Lisa M Lane
If I understand correctly, you’re saying that aside from those of use participating in this particular course, how can we get regular students to perform out of a desire to learn and self-motivation? WE may choose to be involved, but most of us are not ordinary students and this is not an ordinary course.
I too am wary of applying the open learning model that works so well among self-motivated professional learners (that’s what most of us are) to far less motivated students who are there in a holding pattern hoping for a degree and a job.
3 October, 2008 at 11:05 pm
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